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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society

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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and the pathologos and midwifery. Do we need 1 or 2 more causes to account for the pathologos and perhaps also for midwifery? Highlights Must we ask, “What kinds of things have causes?”? What does each of the 7 causes presuppose? That something has come into existence? Does a PL have life? Or not? Thus must it account for “creation”, whenever something has come into existence? What gives...
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Jul 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre explores dreams with Jed, Josh, Sayon, JeffL, and AnthonyN on a Saturday morning. Dream Texts Jed’s dream – Wed 15 July 2020 SCENE 1 I go to this house. And i use a toilet that was in the middle of the kitchen. I move it out into another room, and its ok. But then i come back and there are 2 turds on the floor, and i thought that it must be because the toilet wasnt attached to plumbing when i was using it a moment ago. Laurel (mother) is in the kitchen, and she is ignoring...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. Pierre asks us to see if we can see the 7 causes in Pierre’s Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights First we make a drawing Example: making a barn workman (efficient/creative cause) plan () for some purpose (that for the sake of which it came into existence) (final cause) instrumental ideal/ideas pragmata (model maker, substance of a model) Self itself emerging, abiding and returning to itself. (Supreme/final cause) Proclus spends...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, philosophical-midwifery, proclus, grimes
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another Parmenides Study group meeting with Pierre. Pierre has us read the Balboas’ article with pieces of Proclus and Plato on the 7 causes, and explore Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) through these 7 causes. Highlights The Balboas have a 6-7 page article on the 7 Causes of Plato/Proclus in the Alcibiades and the Cratylus . Pierre posts a question in chat (below). Can the 7 Causes of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus,...
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Jul 11, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday there is a some introductory discussion, mostly Barbara and Don, and then Pierre, and then for the rest of the session, Eldar explores a dream with Pierre. There are technical issues with today’s recording – see below. Highlights Discussion between Barbara and Don Pierre tries to get us started on Cause and the Timaeus We pick up a pretty fundamental/phenomenal dream exploration with Eldar (text below) Dream Text Eldar’s Dream I was in a situation I had been in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and how to approach understanding them. We look at ‘Cause’ in Plato’s Timaeus . Highlights Niko asks a queston about the Cratylus regarding the shuttle Pierre asks: What is the approach you are using to make sense of these 7 causes: what they are and how Plato uses them? What is your method? Eldar, Barbara, Regina, Philly, Sean, and Jed are all asked how they approach understanding the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades, proclus
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Title Pierre’s ‘Parchment’: Proclus, 3 (of the 7) Causes, Difference, and Philosophical Midwifery Synopsis Another Parmenides Study group meeting with Pierre. Pierre asks us that as we read the Balboa paper on Proclus, the First Alcibiades, and the Cratylus, and the 7 causes, do we have a strategy or way of going about doing so? He also has us read a short blurb he wrote on Proclus,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Title Comparing the Daimon to the One-Self Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre during our Parmenides Study time. Highlights with Bradley with Belinda on comparing two sets of negatives: those used for the One-Self and for the Daemon One, Self, One-Self, Daemon: Are they different or same? What is the relationship of Providence to the Daemon(s) and/or to the One-Self? The first 3 steps of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, apology, cratylus, symposium, parmenides, hyp1
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Jul 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. Continuing on yesterday’s discussion regarding the comparison of individual goods, Pierre (with Cathy’s help, and her having read the translation from the Balboas) explores how to have a conversation with people regarding their ‘goods’, and what the ultimate Good/goal is, both for us individually, and for all of us – the group we call ‘humanity’. Highlights chat with Kevin Belinda’s question in the 7-page doc from the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, cratylus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. What is the 7th Cause? What is the Paradigmatic Cause? Is there a way to distinguish among the many goals that people have that they call their good, and find one that is truly better? Highlights Discussion with Jed about the Final Cause How do we make sense of the 7th Cause? A house An example in the Cratylus How does a person know that they are on the right path? How do you know when you are on the road to Reality? How do you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades,...
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Pierre leads the group through (again) an introduction to three puzzles in Plato’s (First) Alcibiades , along with help from Proclus’ Commentary on the Alcibiades : (a) The Seven Causes (super-set of Aristotle’s four), (b) the importance of naming , and (c) that curious Platonic word, art . Highlights 15:08 why did Proclus need the 7 causes in his Commentary on the Alcibiades?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, alcibiades, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades
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Jun 28, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Sunday afternoon Parmenides talk with Pierre, starting into the seven causes from Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s (First) Alcibiades , and some dream-work . Highlights talk w Regina about her state of mind start into the 7 causes, in Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Alcibiades (see Study Materials , below) break for dream explorations with Jed and Grace return to the 7 Causes (Don) The One Ineffable Cause (the cause w/o which no cause could be a cause) Paradigmatical Cause...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-first-alcibiades, proclus
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Jun 28, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Jed and Grace explore recent dreams with Pierre on Sunday afternoon in the middle of our regular meeting . Dream Texts Jed’s Dream – Mon 29th June 2020 SCENE 1 I go to a soccer park to try out for a soccer team. My footwork is a bit clumsy. My foot feels like it moves slower than I’m used to. So I can’t do the moves I want to do, and I can barely keep the ball in the game. It’s difficult and then the practice/try outs end much sooner than I expected. And I realise that I must...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre, starting again with ‘part’ and ‘whole’ in the opening lines of the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . (We use the Balboa translation .) Highlights Hellos to Eve and Niko Belinda: What can we say about the Self? Is it Intellect Intellecting the Intelligible? Continuing yesterday’s discussion In order for a part to become a part of a whole, must it fit symmetrically? Why did ‘God’ give us symmetry? I.e., What is the origina of symmetry?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, proclus, commentary-first-alcibiades
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Jun 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Before our regular Friday night talk , Pierre helps JeffL explore a recent dream. Dream Texts JeffL’s Dream – Thu 25 June 2020 I’m going with Brad T and we’re going down this alley. We’re going to a pizza parlor. There is a group of us and our friend Chris ordered the pizzas and we are going to pick them up. The pizzas are already paid for and everything. We also happen to be in Arkansas. We go into the pizza shop and I’m thinking “damn Arkansas, isn’t this a Covid...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis After exploring JeffL’s dream , Pierre has us look again at the first few lines of the First Hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Highlights (with JulieH) reading of first three lines of Hyp1 (2018-jas-formatted version) How do the parts know where to go? Do some wholes comprehend the parts, and others do not? How does a part become a part of a whole? Is Part/Whole an invention we’ve made? Where does the Intelligibility come from? As you look at the first page now, the first 5...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 21, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo(s): JeffL, Regina Original Location https://archive.org/details/20200621NSPRM Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 20, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday morning we start out with a dream exploration with Kate (here) and then go on to more Parmenides study . Dream Texts Kate’s Dream – Thu 18 June 2020 Driving to mountain area? Janet was there, we were kind of party/gathering? Janet was drinking. I asked her about it. She said she drinks occasionally and it was ok. Thought about how it would be if I drank. A man, driving to mountain area. I in passenger seat, car stopped a few times but he wasn’t concerned about it. A...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 20, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. First Pierre explores a dream with Kate , and then we discuss Plato’s Parmenides ( Balboa translation ), first hypothesis. We are still on the first page. Highlights Pierre asks us to review our talk last night (unrecorded) since he was not there 10:34 - 11:16 Regina and he discuss how to understand Parmenides, P1-001 (the first sentence of the first hypothesis), specifically the phrase, ‘in some other way’, vs one alternative...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Today Pierre first helps Sean explore a recent dream, and then we go into our regular Wednesday Parmenides study . Dream Texts Sean’s Dream – Wed June 17th 2020 6:55A I was in some sort of sea-side town and I had a horse. I was riding a horse. I had just come from a reggae concert, and I remember after the concert I had… I think there was someone that I was working with and we were sharing a hotel room and I remember being, I remember lying in bed with her and thinking how...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis In today’s Wednesday Parmenides meeting via Jitsi, Pierre first helps Sean explore a recent dream . Then Pierre opens up study of the Plato’s Parmenides (using the Balboa translation ) at P1-001 (the first sentence of the first hypothesis) and asks if there is a better reason than Proclus gives, for why the very first sentence on the One should refer to the Many!? In the second...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, theaetetus, hyp1
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre and the Parmenides study group. Dream explorations with Grace and Michelle. Parmenides. Black Lives Matter. Highlights Initial discussion Grace’s Dream What happens when you are looking into a subject, and you’ve looked at all the possibilities. You’ve done it all. Can we say you have a complete understanding of it? If you have a complete...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSDRM
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Synopsis A Saturday morning Jitsi’ing with Pierre. No dreams or casual chat – We jump right into the Parmenides ( Balboa translation ). Pierre asks us what we do after collecting all the points about the One that Is (of the First Hypothesis). We do get stuck on P1-052 and how ‘Nature’ is being used, there. Highlights Can we bring together all the things said about the One that Is? It is not a many (as other ones are) It is not a whole no parts no beginning, middle or end no limit/bound...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 12, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Eldar and Grace explore their recent dreams with Pierre on a Friday night gathering on Jitsi, in between some other interesting questions . Grace’s dream brings up philosophical issues of relativism and the problem of materialism (empiricism) in our current kind of science. Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream My mum had just gotten back from somewhere. We greeted each other. She looked like she had something on her mind. My dad was there too. I think there was a diagram or photo of my...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 12, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday evening with Pierre and the gang. About an hour and three quarters spent exploring two dreams , sandwiched between about 20 minutes of questions from our members (here). Topic Highlights First few minutes: KevinG asks what is the relation between Self and the Destiny of Man Then we spend the majority of the evening exploring dreams Last few minutes: Jed’s question How can an “If” statement (like the 9 hypotheses we find in the Parmenides) lead to Truth? How can...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre. I start recording with a talk Ged is already in the middle of with Pierre. Then we discuss the relevance of the Theaetetus and Midwifery to the talk with Ged. Then we get into the Parmenides with Eldar’s question about Rest and Motion Highlights PMW with Ged on knowledge and understanding Pierre suggests Ged read the Theaetetus and look both at the beginning (about 149a onward) for introducing a potential pregnant party / interlocutor to midwifery, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theaetetus, parmenides, NSPMW
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Jun 6, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. We start out (here) with exploring a dream with Eldar. Then we continue the discussion with our normal Saturday morning informal chat , Pierre continuing on by asking folks what it does for them to listen and be present at a dream exploration. - Eldar, dream Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream I was arriving at my old place and there was a sense that it’s been quite a while, and that this is some kind of homecoming. I was in the garage and I was...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. First we explore a dream of Eldar’s . Then immediately following that (this recording), Pierre asks us to consider what we gained from listening to Eldar’s exploration (and from all dream explorations). This leads us into a discussion of tyranny, which leads us to consider the “matter” in the “Black Lives Matter” movement, and what societal positives have come out of wake of the George Floyd murder in Minnesota. Highlights Eldar’s...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Jun 5, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Before our Friday night study (of Parmenides) tonight , Regina explores a dream with Pierre’s help. Dream Text Regina’s Dream – Thu 4 June 2020 I had an image of a slide, it was wide, white slide and it had huge L’s letter, each one was a huge L. There were 3 of them that were noticeable. But where they came from was like the top of a slide. As they slide down they turned so the letter L was full and had depth. They were all big white translucent white. And as I was watching...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Tonight we continue our study of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre had asked us to bring with us to tonight’s discussion any questions we have on the first hypothesis. So he fields questions from Regina, JeffL, and Ged. Barbara does bring up another issue, but we never came back around to it. Perhaps we will tomorrow . At about 0:13:19, Pierre stops to explore a dream with Regina , which I spliced out into a separate recording. Then we return here to continue our discussion of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPMW, ion, being-the-one
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis After first exploring two dreams , we continue our puzzling today on the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre opens it up and asks those of us who have been reading and studying in it what questions we have. We get a good question or two to look at, but at the end Pierre asks tus to bring more questions next time. As usual, we use the translation from our own Juan and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Today, before our regular study session on the Parmenides , Pierre helps Kate and Grace explore their recent dreams. Dream Texts Kate’s Dream – Tue 2 June 2020 In the house, came home to a young woman on the phone, talking, yelling to someone on the phone. 2 others, male and female were in another room, room mates of mine? I told her to leave, she didn’t belong there yelling on the phone. After she left I was mad at the other couple for letting her in. I went into the room and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning with Pierre on Jitsi! What a super way to end (and re-start) the week. Topic Highlights Barbara’s discussion with Pierre on … Dream with Eldar Cause in the Ion , with DonB Robin’s Dream with JeffL 11:18am is Socrates showing evidence of possessing an art (in the Ion )? Must one use their knowledge to benefit the subject, which brings them into a better state of mind? Likewise, in Plato’s dialogue, Parmenides , did Socrates benefit in any way from...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, ion, symposium, parmenides, meno, NSDRM
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Synopsis This Friday night, we continue working on Plato’s Ion with Pierre. Our ‘homework’ for today had been to read (or re-read) book 1 of Plato’s Republic – usually we use the Rouse ( ISBN:978-0451471703 ) or the Balboa – and collect a list of the points made there about what an ‘art’ is, so that we could consider its applicability here in the Ion . Most of Pierre’s questions are below. For more study questions and discussion, please see also our other sessions on the Ion...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, ion, republic, iliad, homer
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May 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We continue our study of Plato’s Ion ( Balboa translation ) with Pierre. Pierre offers us many questions (see below), but the main thing at this point he is still challenging us to do is to: pull together as many quotes as we can to build up an understanding of what Socrates’ idea of an ‘art’ is, and especially a reciter’s (rhapsode’s) art (none of us have assembled the full list yet) use that definition to ask whether Socrates uses an art and knowledge that include the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, ion
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May 24, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session on Plato's Ion . We use mostly the Balboa translation , although we occasionally refer to the Loeb (Lamb), Rouse, and Taylor. For more study questions, check out the 2 recent previous sessions on the Ion, Sunday 5/17 and Saturday 5/23 . For a full list of Ion-related items in our archive, try this search . (Today's title a bit misleading, as "Understanding" does not have a knowledge that goes with...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, ion
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May 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning Jitsi’ing with Pierre. For the first hour and a half (here), three of us explore our dreams with Dr. Grimes. Afterwards, for about a half hour, Pierre runs us through some more questions on the Ion . Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream Somehow I ended up in charge of these three kids, temporarily, as the care-taker of this house (which almost the same as my parent’s house). There was Bethany (a girl from New Zealand), my sister, [The milieu of the dream feels...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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May 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session on Plato's Ion . We use mostly the Balboa translation , although we occasionally refer to the Loeb (Lamb), Rouse, and Taylor. For more study questions, check out the 2 recent previous sessions on the Ion, Sunday 5/17 and Saturday 5/23 . For a full list of Ion-related items in our archive, try this search . Topic Highlights and Pierre’s Questions conversation with KevinG 0:08:02 -- Pierre’s 1st question:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, ion
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May 22, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On a Friday night Jitsi meeting, Philly explores a dream with Pierre in between our regular discussion . Dream Texts Philly’s Dream Scene 1 - It’s like this game where there are all these men who are wearing safety vests and safety hard hats, they all look to be like construction workers. - It’s like a montage of all these different men. - I’m not sure if I’m looking at a magazine or something but they’re pictures. - Each one is doing like nodding their heads low and it’s...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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May 22, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We mostly explore the Parmenides Prologue and 1st hypothesis on this Friday night Jitsi with Pierre. There are several cuts, because Pierre explores a dream with Philly , and also at one point Pierre’s connection goes out, and we discuss Parmenides in pieces and a little of the Ion, while we to wait about half an hour for Pierre to return. Topic Highlights Chit-chat with Regina and Eldar on what they’ve been up to Barbara’s question to Pierre about peri (‘about’, not...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session on the 1st hypothesis, which we have been studying lately. Stephanus pages 139b-d (Parmenides/Aristoteles exchanges P1-041,042,048,049,050). (The numbering of the ‘exchanges’ of Parmenides and Aristotle come from our own Juan and Maria Balboa translation , jas-formatted edition.) It turns out this thing is understandable. At least in places. Once you know (or are getting closer to knowing) the kind of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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May 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Cathy and I (JeffS) had scheduled a time to talk with Pierre to look at our dreams. As it turns out, both of our dreams had something to do with Plato's dialogue, Ion , which Pierre had recently put us onto, as an exercise in mastering a Platonic dialogue. In Cathy's case, her dream directly involved an ex-husband who was a preacher who often gave the same talk on the book of Isaiah. In Jeff's case, we looked at Jeff's dream using the same kinds of questions we used looking into the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSCHT, pg1, ion, NSDRM
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May 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre. This was to be an NSPRM (Parmenides Study Group) meeting, but lately, Pierre has been asking anyone if they have any dreams they would like to do. There were three today, and a live event, so these four took up the whole meeting (and even went over a bit). Dreams with JeffL, Regina, and Michelle, then a live event with N D. Dream Texts Jeff L’s Dream – Sun 17 2020 “” I am in a big warehouse, staying there with a bunch of other guys. I can’t...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre, videoconferencing on Jitsi. Darlene and parenting wisdom, power, naming, Meno, being a “knower”, how to talk pleasantly Dream Explorations with Eldar, Josh PMW with Grace and reflecting on Josh's dream exploration Ion: Initial question for those of us studying it: Why is Ion not a ‘reciter’? Dream Texts Eldar's Dream I was at a house and at this house there was a loose cheetah. There was a woman with me and her child was somewhere in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW, nsvc
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May 15, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Belinda and Don explore their dreams with Pierre on Jitsi before we study Parmenides . Dream Texts Belinda's Dream I noticed I was very pale and thought to myself I need to get some sun. DonB's Dream -- “A Waking Vision” I am standing on the ground in a dark purple atmosphere; I look directly up from where I am standing and there is a black monad with expanding energy rings around it. The rings were eluminating purple light that surrounded me and all of my surroundings. "The...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Synopsis We spend another Friday night with Pierre, first doing some dreams and then (here) studying the first hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides , ( Balboa translation ). We start out by taking a look at some of the first exchanges in the second hypothesis and comparing the terms there with those used in the first. Topic Highlights In the opening paragraphs of the Hyp2, and can we see anything going on there that has its parallel with Hyp1? In H2, he has to make sure that we the reader...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1, hyp2
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis This is a really good meeting. There are lots of good clues from Pierre here as to how to read the Parmenides. Topic Highlights How to deal with JeffS's proposal from last time How to read the Parmenides: What are the criteria for deciding whether a portion is lacking? Homework Read to the end, this rigorously. Write down all the puzzles. Credits Recording, title, and highlights:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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May 10, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Sunday afternoon discussing the Parmenides 1st hypothesis, with Pierre. The first half, we re-read from the beginning, asking questions. In the second half, Pierre asks JeffS if there are any other options for P17, JeffS answers, and we spend the rest of the time trying to see if anyone both understands and can convey JeffS's answer. Topic Highlights and Pierre' s Questions PG raises a question: There are many ways to approach the Parmenides. Wisdom is One. Willing and...
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May 9, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this lovely Saturday morning with Pierre over Jitsi, NS members Eldar and Regina explore their recent dreams, with Pierre mid-wifing. Then we continue with more discussion on Plato's Parmenides . Dream Texts Eldar's Dream I was walking to class and either I was joined by or I joined Helena (the girl I loved in high school). The way that we joined together was really special. And we were talking in a way that was really chill. It was like two rivers joining into one. As we were...
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Synopsis Another good morning with Pierre. We first do some dreams , then Pierre opens it up to questions, and we spend most of our time on Bradley's question on the use of ‘One’ and ‘Self’ in P1-001 and -002 in hyp1 Topic Highlights Open questions Barbara, Book 6, Proclus' Commentary on Plato's Parmenides, 400 autos just in Book 6 alone11:00:40 turned volume down B: it really transforms Proclus Bradley' s question on the use of ‘One’ and ‘Self’ in P1-001 and -002 in hyp1...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Synopsis A fun and intense Friday evening with Pierre over Jitsi. First, we do some dreams . Then we return and dive into a discussion of the Parmenides. Pierre gives us new instructions on how to read -- using a process he defines as intuition -- Plato's Parmenides itself, by being informed by Proclus’ works, Theology of Plato (T.Taylor) and Commentary on Plato's Parmenides (Dillon/Morrow). Parmenides 1st hypothesis: Discussion (with Bradley) of the first two lines of the 1st hypothesis, and...
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May 8, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Barbara, Belinda, and Bradley explore their dreams on a Friday night Jitsi'ing with Pierre, before this evening's talk/study . Dream Texts Barbara's Dream -- Thu 7 May 2020 This is a Thursday, the 7th of May and in the dream at this point I’m sitting on a bench waiting for a bus and I’m looking down at the area around a tree or a sapling and the tile work, or whatever covering is pushed up by these creatures. And when they come out it looks like they have little green wings, but...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read 1st Hyp, P1:001-021,091,099,101. After looking at some preliminary questions and then comparing again Aristoteles’ use of the word, ‘logos’ and Parmenides’ use of it.We return to reading the 1st hypothesis from the beginning, looking for things we do not understand (or which do not make sense). Topic Highlights and Pierre’s Questions Preliminaries JeffS question about Other Way in P1...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Hyp1, 141d-e (P1-91 and P1-99), and consider mainly: What does Parmenides mean by ‘Logos’ , and Does each of the 30-33 conclusions (with their new terms in each one) build reasonably upon the previous conclusions/terms? Topic Highlights and Pierre's Questions What is the significance of that order? What are the principles that are developed, and when are they developed? Bradley's question:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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May 2, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We start out our Saturday with dream explorations: Darlene, Don, Josh, Sayon. Afterwards, we go into further discussion on Homer and Philosophical Midwifery . Dream Texts Darlene's Dreams -- 17 March 2019 1st Dream: I have just woken up and am in a bedroom. I'm sitting on the floor next to my bed. The bed is low to the ground. PG is there. I think he also had slept in the same room but in another bed at the other end of the room. The room is long, horizontal. I am still in my pajamas....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis We continue on with our study of whether philosophical midwifery is in Homer's Iliad , and whether, therefore, the Greek / Hellenic civilization was aware of something profound and crucial for the Destiny of Man (which our “ modern “ culture lacks). As before, we particularly reference both of Pierre's “Struggle for Excellence” papers: the 2004 Athens conference paper and its 2005 APPA journal article derivative . Today's Quote: “The Greeks discovered from Homer and the works...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, struggle-for-excellence, homer, grimes
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May 1, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre midwifes Bradley and Grace on their recent dreams before the regular meeting tonight . Dream Texts Bradley's Dream -- Fri 1 May 2020 Chunying and I go into this shop and I was trying to figure out if this stuff was authentic Shaman goods; Guatemalan. ( I had 3 belt loops in my hand of different fabrications) Grace's Dream -- Sun 3 Sept 2017 and Mon 27 April 2020 -- “Golden Snitch” hanging upside down from a cliff... from my toes. like a bat. looking straight into dark...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1, nsvc
Synopsis Pierre continues to take us through his Athens paper, making the case for a tradition of philosophical midwifery in Homer's time. Today we review step four of Pierre's five points: Dealing with the consequences of the pathologos problem. As before, we particularly reference both of Pierre's “Struggle for Excellence” papers: the 2004 Athens conference paper and its 2005 APPA journal article derivative . Original Location https://archive.org/details/20200501NSFRI Usage License CC...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, struggle-for-excellence, homer, grimes
Synopsis Continuing on our online meetings, today we review Pierre's “Struggle for Excellence” papers (the June 2004 Athens conference talk and the March 2005 APPA article ), using them to examine Pierre's question to us: Is there or is there not evidence that in Homer's Iliad , Achilles is going through all of the steps that we identify as Philosophical Midwifery? The five “steps”: the present situation that manifested the problem the pathologos state of mind the transmission scene...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, iliad, struggle-for-excellence, homer, grimes, nsvc
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read First Hypothesis, P1-20, P100-102 Synopsis Another lovely Sunday afternoon Jitsi’ing with Pierre. He does one dream exploration with Barbara, and then we jump back into the Parmenides 1st hypothesis, reading over the same 20 lines we did yesterday, and also jumping to P100-102 (the end) as well, to see the conclusion. Topic Highlights and Pierre's Questions P1-P9: We are talking about “the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSDRM, nsvc
Synopsis A fun but rigorous Saturday morning, Jitsi'ing with Pierre. He starts over with having us as a group read the 1st hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides (*), and watching how Parmenides reasons, in a curious way that we moderns are not familiar with, to reason about the One-Self. Topic Highlights and Pierre' s Questions [This section is under construction: These are not complete.. I could not keep up today. Will have to edit and add more notes later. It was just too good and the points were...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPRM
Synopsis Another Friday night meeting Jitsi'ing with Pierre. Dreams from Jed, Belinda, and Grace. We discuss where to go next given Pierre's letter (below). We end up reading the first 20 ‘interactions’ between Parmenides and Aristoteles in the 1st hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides ( Balboa translation ), and discuss its conclusions regarding the Self. Topic Highlights Pre-discussion: Pierre asks EricG to go over his paper comparing his understanding of midwifery (actually, the pathologos)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another fun Wednesday afternoon with Pierre and the gang. Topic highlights are below. Two or three mid-wifings and an attempt at reading part of Thomas Taylor's Book 7, Chapter 40, thanks to Barbara's search for today's discussion. Topic Highlights and Questions from Pierre Eric's has shared a 3-page paper he has written about some insights he has had into PMW, regarding the place of ‘terror’ and ‘anger’ in PMW. The video starts with his discussion with Pierre, since they...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book07, chap40, proclus, thomas-taylor
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Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre. First a dream with Eric. Then a discussion of the Iliad and the ‘anagogic quest’, i.e., the soul's intentional reversion (in two stages) to the Brilliant Light of Being and then to the One/Self. Pierre's Questions to Us and Topic Highlights Eric's dream David's question about Eric's dream: the problem of reconciliation (step 5 from Pierre's paper) What would it be like to, once you saw your problem, go out and face a person who had felt the brunt of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, homer, nsvc
Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre on Jitsi. Looking at his paper given in Athens in 2004, and later published in the inaugural issue of the Journal of the APPA (March 2005), regarding finding Philosophical Midwifery in the Iliad, and its superiority to modern psychology. The issue of cause. Looking more in depth at the problem of the pathologos, using the Iliad, and looking at Agamemnon, Achilles, and Zeus. Then Pierre helps Belinda explore a recent dream. Pierre's Questions to Us and Topic...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, book09, book24, homer, nsvc
Synopsis Another scheduled Parmenides/Theology discussion session, but we continue on with exploring Homer's Iliad . How do we deal with the problem of anger, completely, and finally? What other religious text deals with this, besides the Iliad? How do the Iliad and the Phaedrus both help us by giving us keys to following Zeus (becoming philosophers)? Pierre's Questions to Us and Topic Highlights Pierre and Belinda on letting go of anger in family and in Homer's Iliad Is the one idea we need to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, book09, book24, homer, nsvc
Synopsis Another scheduled Parmenides/Theology discussion session, but Pierre asked us if anyone had dreams. So Eric offered one up to explore, which led to a discussion on Belief and the Divided Line and Cave in Plato's Republic , after which Pierre did some midwifery (without a dream) with Jed. Pierre's Questions to Us and Topic Highlights In Philosophical Midwifery, it is often true that the person will always reveal their problem, if you are listening. Doubly true in dreams. If your mind is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, book06, book07, nsvc
Synopsis Dream Explorations with Bradley, Josh, and Jed Continued discussion under Pierre's leadership of Book 24 of Homer's Iliad . What can we conclude about what the Iliad and Chapter 24 are telling us about ourselves? Pierre's Questions to Us What's the point of reading this work? What can we get from it? How does it fit with the Will of Zeus? How would a Greek react/respond to this work? What would they take away? What did each of the people in Book 24 learn? Describe each participant...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, NSDRM, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, book24, homer, nsvc
Synopsis On this Friday night, we Jitsi with Pierre, still on Book 24 of Homer's Iliad . He has us looking primarily at how anger is dissolved in the primary combatants, as well as the others; what dissolves it; whether this work can thus be a model for our lives. Pierre's Questions to Us How can we tie the beginning of this work to the end? Is there a relationship? As Zeus lays out his plan, it plays itself out among all the people in book 24. What did each of them learn? How did it affect...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, book24, homer, nsvc
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Synopsis Even though this is typically a Parmenides or Elements-of-Theology meeting scheduled at this time, Pierre wanted to continue on with Homer's Iliad . We finish up Book 24, with Pierre having us consider the anger held by gods and humans, and what got them out of it. Specifically, Zeus' role is considered and his divine plan, and how anger is resolved in both gods and humans. (This is again a Jitsi-meet, during the coronavirus isolation..) Highlights and Questions for Study The following...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
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Apr 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Grace explores a dream with Pierre as the first item in our NS Saturday morning meeting today, before we continue with the study of the Iliad . Dream Text Grace's Dream -- Fri 3 April 2020 -- “Rabbit in the Forest” traffic accident. a car is tipped, engine on, gas leaking. back door open. a basket of kittens on the seat. i hand it the basket to a guy whose arm is gashed and ask him to take it to the hospital behind him. he stares at me and i growl “go” and he turns and walks...
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Apr 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday morning we rejoin online again. After first a dream exploration with Grace , we continue under Pierre's leadership our exploration of Homer's Iliad , Book 24, from last night's discussion , focusing on the question of how the word, 'αυτο' (Self) is used in reference to humans, and to the gods, and how that differs, and therefore what we can conclude about the message the ancient Greeks had for us through this work. Topic Highlights Continuation of last night's...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
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Apr 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Three NS members explore their dreams with Pierre in a Jitsi video conference'd Friday night, before our regular meeting . Dream Texts Belinda's Dream The whole world is getting sick around me. But everyone is going about their lives like everything is normal. I go back in my mind to where this all started. I can remember the first person to have gotten sick, and what they ate right before they had it. It was an ice cream from an ice cream truck. I start yelling at everyone to not eat...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1, nsvc
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Apr 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday-night continuing to explore the autos -- Greek word 'αυτο' (Self) -- in the Iliad, Book 24, their usage, and implications, this time especially with how Self is used with reference to the gods. (Lines 105-198; Fitzgerald pages 571-3) Topic Highlights How are the gods functioning in book 24? How would you describe the order in the conversation that took place between zeus and the other gods that takes up 1/2 of that chapter? What is going on? What is zeus achieving? How is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
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Apr 3, 2020 Juan and Maria Balboa
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Synopsis Translation of Essay 4 of Proclus' Commentary on Plato's dialogue, The Republic , by Juan and Maria Balboa. Interlinear Greek and English with key words in color, and additional diagrams and quotes, and commentary supplied by the translators. Click 'PDF' in the Download Options menu on this page. Originally published: 3 April 2020 Cover Image from William Blake Original Location https://archive.org/details/proclus-republic-balboa Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License...
Topics: philosophy, plato, proclus, republic, essay04